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<time begin="1"/><clear/>Okay, well the first item on the agenda is just some welcome and opening remarks from Ben and Rich. 
<time begin="8"/><clear/>If you guys want to go ahead and share whatever thoughts you might have about what we're trying to do here. 
<time begin="15"/><clear/>Rich, go to you? 
<time begin="16"/><clear/>Sure. 
<time begin="21"/><clear/>I just want to welcome everyone to this WebEx and again point out that really within this past year, I mean we've made some tremendous progress, 
<time begin="31"/><clear/>and I just really enjoy these intersessional meetings like this where we can go through the projects and that way, 
<time begin="36"/><clear/>the short amount of quality time that we have at when we next get together will be all that more productive, 
<time begin="41"/><clear/>and again, I just want to thank everyone, especially given today's stresses that we're having with responding 
<time begin="51"/><clear/>and various either the public sector or the private sector responding to the demands of the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, 
<time begin="61"/><clear/>you know, has been quite daunting on all of us, so again, I just want to thank you all for taking the time out of your schedules to keep this thing going. 
<time begin="71"/><clear/>Ben? 
<time begin="76"/><clear/>Thank you, Rich. 
<time begin="79"/><clear/>Just want to echo Rich's statements there, thank everybody for their time and effort. 
<time begin="83"/><clear/>I know this is the peak season for transportation, and as Rich mentioned about the Katrina, really I guess you'd call it the disaster, catastrophe, in New Orleans and the surrounding areas. 
<time begin="96"/><clear/>So I know we have a lot of people that have a lot on their plate this time. 
<time begin="101"/><clear/>I've talked to quite a few that wanted to be on the call that had other commitments, but looking over the opportunities we have to talk about the day, there's four project opportunities, and I've reviewed those. 
<time begin="120"/><clear/>A lot of thorough work went into them, and again, just thank everybody for their time, and I believe we have had a really an excellent year in working through our charge here, our charter for our team, our working group. 
<time begin="135"/><clear/>We have a couple of projects that we're working now that's coming along very well. 
<time begin="143"/><clear/>r more today, but again, I thank everybody and we look for your participation as we go through these projects. 
<time begin="150"/><clear/>We certainly welcome and solicit your questions and any comments you could make on these, so thanks again. 
<time begin="158"/><clear/>Thank you, guys. 
<time begin="160"/><clear/>Tony, did you have anything in particular you wanted to add before we get going? 
<time begin="166"/><clear/>No, I'd echo what Rich and Ben have already said. 
<time begin="168"/><clear/>All right, thank you. 
<time begin="171"/><clear/>We do have kind of an aggressive agenda, so we're gonna try to get through this quickly. 
<time begin="176"/><clear/>Hopefully, those of you who are on the line have seen the agenda. 
<time begin="180"/><clear/>Basically what we're gonna do is we're gonna spend 10 minutes on each of the four project proposals. 
<time begin="188"/><clear/>The proponents of the project will have about 5 minutes to quickly recap the project and then there will be about 5 minutes for folks to ask questions to the presenter and then we're gonna move quickly to the next project. 
<time begin="199"/><clear/>We suspect that there will be plenty of opportunities to get into in-depth questions. 
<time begin="205"/><clear/>What we're looking for here primarily are clarification questions, so if you don't understand something that's being presented, please offer your question, 
<time begin="213"/><clear/>and we'll ask the presenters to try to answer as quickly as succinctly as possible to get through all four projects. 
<time begin="221"/><clear/>Next we'll talk about what we're gonna do next as far as providing you and the participants and I an opportunity to offer more in-depth comments and questions and also to offer your ratings on the various projects. 
<time begin="233"/><clear/>So with that, we're gonna go right into the first one, and that is increasing velocity of freight movement through efficient scheduling and that's Ron and Ben. 
<time begin="241"/><clear/>Do you want to kick it off? 
<time begin="243"/><clear/>Ron, you want to take it over? 
<time begin="244"/><clear/>Sure. 
<time begin="247"/><clear/>You can just join in if need be. 
<time begin="251"/><clear/>In terms of the title of the project is really the overall objective of the goal of the project is to increase the velocity of moving freight through the system through efficient scheduling. 
<time begin="263"/><clear/>You all can see there well, except for the guys that are on the telephones, I was gonna say, you all can see what the problem is, 
<time begin="273"/><clear/>essentially that the inability for terminals to properly schedule trucks into facilities, causes waste and fuel, increases emissions, et cetera. 
<time begin="284"/><clear/>Hello? 
<time begin="285"/><clear/>Okay. 
<time begin="288"/><clear/>Drivers today don't know they have a load to pick up, but they're not sure exactly what time they should be there to pick up a load and without having to wait in line, so the goal is to set an appointment system 
<time begin="299"/><clear/>so that drivers can specifically schedule the time that they're gonna show up at the gate and they can go essentially through the system without having to wait. 
<time begin="309"/><clear/>Problems we had today is that, I mean, the shipping business is pretty good right now. 
<time begin="318"/><clear/>You have increased overall intermodal volume. 
<time begin="324"/><clear/>But the problem is, you have unavailability of tools as far as scheduling to pick up and drop off of the containers and there's also the inability to collect the data from the terminal operating systems in order to build a schedule. 
<time begin="338"/><clear/>The effects, no consistency of delivery and transit times, which obviously affects the scheduling and planning by the receiver and the trucking company. 
<time begin="347"/><clear/>You have increased driver wait time. 
<time begin="351"/><clear/>You have overall adverse effects both of vehicle and pedestrian traffic, higher transportation costs as well as safety issues. 
<time begin="360"/><clear/>So, the plan is to develop a pickup, or an appointment system to allow for the efficient scheduling of the drivers into the terminals. 
<time begin="369"/><clear/>Now, the approach that we're going to take is, first we're gonna do a requirements analysis and technology identification. 
<time begin="378"/><clear/>There some people made comments last time that we know that there are solutions out there today, but they're single-point solutions, and really the objective. 
<time begin="386"/><clear/>Project is to develop more of a global, and I say global, but really thinking here in the U.S. -- a solution that can be worked in any type of terminal, whether it be an intermodal terminal or -- 
<time begin="402"/><clear/>This is Bruce, thank you, are you gonna get-- 
<time begin="407"/><clear/>The attempt is to survey -- find the requirements, take a look at the solutions that are out there, figure out which are working, which are not. 
<time begin="420"/><clear/>It's not just-- and Karen, I think you're on-- it's not just the system, it's the cultural issues. 
<time begin="424"/><clear/>Those are going to be explored as well, to figure out okay, if you want to put one good solution in, it's going to be universally accepted, you know, how is that gonna work? 
<time begin="434"/><clear/>It's not really just a technology solution, it's really looking at technology and marrying that in with the operational needs and what really can work from the operations side. 
<time begin="449"/><clear/>We would be at some point in time we would have to integrate with the terminal operating systems and then also Ken or someone had sent me a note suggesting how this would work with the terminal optimization system. 
<time begin="463"/><clear/>The system would. 
<time begin="465"/><clear/>Initially, though, the plan would be just to develop the appointment system because there's a lot of benefits in doing that. 
<time begin="476"/><clear/>And then the system could then tie in with what (indiscernible) is working on in her project, so the two would definitely work together, but they don't necessarily need to be done at the same time, or so... 
<time begin="488"/><clear/>I think that's about it. 
<time begin="492"/><clear/>I don't know if that's 5 minutes or not, but just give a quick brush stroke on what the intent of the system is and the overall approach, so Ben, do you have anything to add to that? 
<time begin="501"/><clear/>Just one comment. 
<time begin="507"/><clear/>As Ron stated earlier, there are solutions out in the industry today. 
<time begin="512"/><clear/>For example, with UP (ph) we have a reservation system to come in the gate that's in place to date, but what we find in looking at the industry as a whole is that these are very fragmented, 
<time begin="529"/><clear/>they're individual-type solutions, and we believe that by having so many different ones individually by different organizations, you have a lot of redundancy, 
<time begin="541"/><clear/>you have overlapping resources, and it is somewhat inefficient and we're hoping that through this project, we can bring some continuity to this area of appointments. 
<time begin="555"/><clear/>One of the issues that we've talked about a number of times is that when you unload a lot of containers and trailers, they're stacked up, and you want to pick up one box, but it's the under three boxes and behind three more, 
<time begin="569"/><clear/>so I think what we're talking about here is a solution to address those type of issues and something that would be common throughout the industry. 
<time begin="581"/><clear/>Okay, thanks, Ben and Ron. 
<time begin="586"/><clear/>Any questions from anybody who's on the line? 
<time begin="589"/><clear/>This is Rich, Rich Bider (ph). 
<time begin="594"/><clear/>You know, it might be good to put in the problem definition, just articulate what Ben had just said regarding that, you know, 
<time begin="606"/><clear/>there are products that are better out there that tend to or at least try to address this, but it's not a viable solution for everybody. 
<time begin="614"/><clear/>In other words, it can be very puritan in its response, so it might be good to highlight the fact that even though there are products, it's still not sufficient to address the problem. 
<time begin="626"/><clear/>Any other questions or comments? 
<time begin="634"/><clear/>I would echo what Rich just said. 
<time begin="638"/><clear/>I think it would be useful for bolstering the case for your project if there was a justification as to why, for instance, this isn't something that should be left up to the industry. 
<time begin="650"/><clear/>It is already there to do scheduling systems or appointment systems, and why this is different, and maybe even to the extent of why we're looking to get a project that's sponsored possibly in part with federal funds, 
<time begin="662"/><clear/>why the federal government should be involved with an initiative like this. 
<time begin="666"/><clear/>Yeah, this is Bruce, thank you. 
<time begin="670"/><clear/>I also want to comment that Marine Terminal already has a scheduling system in and he's presented it at various ITS meetings and other ones, and he's very successful 
<time begin="682"/><clear/>and he says up to -- if they've got a slot within a half an hour, a trucker can call in and get in as long as there's slots available, but until you address the equipment issue of getting-- 
<time begin="691"/><clear/>you can get all the guys you want on a schedule through the gate, but if you can't get to the equipment and get it loaded and have it pre-organized, all you're gonna do is get people through the gate; you're not gonna get freight moved. 
<time begin="709"/><clear/>So you'll eliminate the gate problem, but you haven't moved the freight and I thought this was a freight industry-type solution. 
<time begin="715"/><clear/>You know, you make a good point. 
<time begin="717"/><clear/>Let me kind of answer it a little bit. 
<time begin="722"/><clear/>What we have today in the industry is, we have one solution where we reserve equipment. 
<time begin="728"/><clear/>For example, on the domestic side of the business, all of our equipment, our containers for loading, you go into a computer and you reserve those, 
<time begin="738"/><clear/>and then you have another system -- I'm talking about my own company-- another system that you reserve a gate reservation. 
<time begin="745"/><clear/>So I think what we're seeing here, and you make a good point there, that you can't just get in the gate, 
<time begin="755"/><clear/>there's got to be something that's viable once you get in the gate, the box is ready to go and you can move with it and it should be a system that says okay, you know, the same system I can get a box to load, 
<time begin="765"/><clear/>I can find out when the box can come into the gate, when it will move on train, and when I can pick the box up at destination, and I think that's what we would like to see and it's in this type of a project. 
<time begin="775"/><clear/>Bruce, I think I mentioned it but the plan is to integrate this in with a terminal operating system so that availability of equipment and assets, hopefully we can get that. 
<time begin="785"/><clear/>As long as we can do the integration. 
<time begin="787"/><clear/>That not always able to do that, but certainly that would be the goal. 
<time begin="793"/><clear/>Well, just so you know on the EMPU program, they say they got equipment, but you go in to get the equipment, and it's not mounted, 
<time begin="811"/><clear/>and if you don't do a physical yard check and make sure the equipment is matched up to the right equipment, because I've actually pulled out a 48-foot chassis with a 53-foot box attached to it 
<time begin="826"/><clear/>and they actually let it out the gate, so unless somebody gets it and has it matched up, and that's why I believe you actually need to go to the next step of actually when a piece of equipment is mounted on a chassis, 
<time begin="836"/><clear/>it should be able to somehow identify what box is sitting on that chassis and the box should be able to identify what chassis it's sitting on 
<time begin="841"/><clear/>so they know it's mounted right and the equipment's ready to go, because the efficiency at the ramp really breaks down to getting equipment moved, and same with the yard capacity issues. 
<time begin="851"/><clear/>Bruce? 
<time begin="855"/><clear/>This is T. Vaughn (ph) with MTC. 
<time begin="859"/><clear/>You made a reference to our system and talking about controlling the gate and not the yard, but in our system, the appointments are made available. 
<time begin="866"/><clear/>The limitations are based on the capacity of the individual pieces of equipment in the yard. 
<time begin="868"/><clear/>So it is addressed. 
<time begin="870"/><clear/>It is not just the gate flow that happens. 
<time begin="873"/><clear/>Okay, well, I appreciate your input. 
<time begin="876"/><clear/>I'm sure this is a great discussion, could go on for quite some time. 
<time begin="880"/><clear/>I would encourage Ben and Ron to chat more with Bruce and Steve if they want to continue that discussion. 
<time begin="885"/><clear/>We've gotta get moving to the next one so we can try to stay as close to schedule as possible. 
<time begin="890"/><clear/>So, Jennifer, if you can advance the next slide and if you can give the control to me, I'll talk a little bit more about my project. 
<time begin="898"/><clear/>Paul, you have to have control now, so if you want-- 
<time begin="901"/><clear/>Okay, great, great. 
<time begin="903"/><clear/>I'll go to the next-- 
<time begin="904"/><clear/>Is that yours, Paul? 
<time begin="907"/><clear/>I'm trying to go; no, it's the next one. 
<time begin="909"/><clear/>I'm not sure why it's not moving forward. 
<time begin="913"/><clear/>Try the arrow at the top next to where it says 205. 
<time begin="914"/><clear/>Okay, there we go. 
<time begin="915"/><clear/>Okay. 
<time begin="917"/><clear/>Basically, what this project is that I'm proposing here, we've been involved with the state of Baltimore to put in place a system that relies on cars that have drivers in them that are using cellphones to monitor traffic conditions, 
<time begin="933"/><clear/>and basically what it provides is a much more detailed look at what the traffic conditions are not only on the major expressways, 
<time begin="943"/><clear/>which is what most traffic management and traffic monitoring systems do, but also on arterials and surface streets. 
<time begin="953"/><clear/>We've been in discussions with the port of Baltimore to look at whether or not it makes sense to try to come up with an application or ways to leverage this information which is quite a bit more detailed 
<time begin="967"/><clear/>and more extensive than anything that's available through any other means to facilitate the movement of freight into and out of the port facility, specifically the terminal in Baltimore. 
<time begin="980"/><clear/>Basically, the argument here is that if drivers and dispatchers have more information about conditions on roadways, 
<time begin="985"/><clear/>it can make more educated decisions about how best to manage their fleet to meet the requirements, the business requirements that they have. 
<time begin="992"/><clear/>I'm gonna show real quickly, hopefully the animation will work on this. 
<time begin="998"/><clear/>This is what you're seeing here is a map of the Baltimore area and down in the lower central part of the graphic is the Dundalk (ph) Marine Terminal, 
<time begin="1006"/><clear/>and the argument we have here is again, with the information that's available through this system, that port truckers in particular will have a lot more information 
<time begin="1019"/><clear/>and the dispatchers will be able to get them good information about how to get into and out of ports with a minimum of congestion and all the bad things that come with that, like bad air quality and loss of time and loss of money. 
<time begin="1032"/><clear/>The first thing you see here is, this is a scenario that we came up with to kind of demonstrate what the system might do. 
<time begin="1040"/><clear/>So we're gonna use this scenario to kind of describe the functionality of the system and the benefit it will provide. 
<time begin="1047"/><clear/>Hypothetically, we have two loads to be picked up at terminal by 6:00 p.m. and it's now 5:30 p.m., and the dispatcher has three trucks in the area and is uncertain which trucks, which two should be sent to pick up the loads. 
<time begin="1065"/><clear/>Obviously, there are a number of different factors that come into that and if you were to look at dig ram, you might say well, 
<time begin="1072"/><clear/>trucks on the left are probably closer to the terminal and without further information, you might just decide to send the two trucks. 
<time begin="1080"/><clear/>In reality, based on traffic conditions that, might not be the smartest thing. 
<time begin="1085"/><clear/>See the one directly underneath her is in a downtown area and you may end up having a longer drive time to get to the terminal. 
<time begin="1090"/><clear/>So which two does she send? 
<time begin="1093"/><clear/>Well, the data from this system will provide enough information about what's going on in the network so that they'll be able to come up with travel times 
<time begin="1103"/><clear/>and conditions on roadways, and you see a little, a traffic cone and an exclamation point inside a little yellow diamond-shaped object there. 
<time begin="1113"/><clear/>These are basically other pieces of information that the state of Maryland already provides, and these are construction and incident information, 
<time begin="1124"/><clear/>and they all factor into the calculation of speeds and travel times and all the links in the area. 
<time begin="1132"/><clear/>So based on the information that's provided this dispatcher, with by integrating the system in with a computer-aided dispatch system, can determine which of the vehicles are likely to make the 6:00 cutoff. 
<time begin="1144"/><clear/>So instead of sending the two closest, she'll send the two that will make it. 
<time begin="1148"/><clear/>And that's what the last thing shows here, is that if you look at each one of these vehicles and the prescribed routes that they would take to get to the port, you find out that indeed -- 
<time begin="1160"/><clear/>and obviously this is a hypothetical case -- that the two circled have shorter travel times and are the only two that have an opportunity to make the gate before it closes. 
<time begin="1171"/><clear/>So the benefit, obviously that, you provide here is that you're fewer missed cutoffs, less time in congestion, and hopefully, what you'll find here is that overall, 
<time begin="1182"/><clear/>a better use of resources by sending the vehicles that are most appropriate. 
<time begin="1186"/><clear/>Now, this is just one scenario. 
<time begin="1188"/><clear/>Obviously, because you have the information that covers the entire network, you could get information across everything that's happening and you could manage traffic into and out of the port area and even across the metropolitan area. 
<time begin="1200"/><clear/>And then I'll wrap it up by saying that currently the system is operational-- the traffic monitoring component of this, the pro-vehicle component of this is up and operational. 
<time begin="1211"/><clear/>It's covering about 300 square miles, and I don't recall specifically the number of roadway miles, but I believe it's somewhere around 1500 or 2,000 roadway miles that are currently covered by this system, 
<time begin="1229"/><clear/>and what we're proposing is to run a pilot that employs that information to provide this kind of service to the commercial freight industry. 
<time begin="1238"/><clear/>So with that, I'll open it up for anyone who has questions. 
<time begin="1241"/><clear/>This is (indiscernible) I have a question and the fact that's also related to the first presentation, 
<time begin="1250"/><clear/>and this regards to the impact on any kind of a scheduling system with additional security constraints that the truck is having, and I mean such things as the TWIG card. 
<time begin="1265"/><clear/>How will all these systems take into effect to try to make a seamless process where drivers and the loads on there don't hamper all the best laid plans, 
<time begin="1276"/><clear/>such as this and others in the event that the identification of the driver is a problem or the load is a problem? 
<time begin="1282"/><clear/>So would there be a vulnerability in any of these systems if the TWIG card and other measures are not taken into account? 
<time begin="1291"/><clear/>Do you want us to hit that one first, Ron, and then I'll follow up? 
<time begin="1293"/><clear/>No, you go first. 
<time begin="1296"/><clear/>Sure, I'll go first. 
<time begin="1299"/><clear/>It's not something that's specifically accounted for in our demonstration, although I guess it could be. 
<time begin="1306"/><clear/>I think if you're looking at something that it's talking about a comparative analysis of different vehicles that may or may not make a cutoff time, you know, 
<time begin="1313"/><clear/>a dispatcher could always factor in the amount of time it takes on average to process into the port. 
<time begin="1321"/><clear/>So you wouldn't necessarily specifically address that issue, but you would expect -- you would take into account the time penalty that's associated with having to clear security into a port, 
<time begin="1334"/><clear/>that they could build that into their system. 
<time begin="1338"/><clear/>It's not something that I'm proposing to be included as part of this system, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it can't be. 
<time begin="1346"/><clear/>Does that answer your question? 
<time begin="1347"/><clear/>Thank you. 
<time begin="1347"/><clear/>Okay. 
<time begin="1350"/><clear/>Ron, did you want to try to tackle it? 
<time begin="1353"/><clear/>The way I look at the TWIG card is that just means if the driver has a card, that gives them access to the appointment system, and if he can't get access to it that means he's not authorized and he can't schedule, you know, his time slot. 
<time begin="1371"/><clear/>Now, if there is problems with the card, yes, that's gonna have an impact on several different things, but I guess just from a technology standpoint, the TWIK (ph) card, 
<time begin="1385"/><clear/>if we want to use it as a way to get authorization into the system, either has it and it works or he doesn't have it, and I mean, I'm not sure, again, from just the technology standpoint what else you could do along those lines. 
<time begin="1401"/><clear/>Okay, any other questions or comments? 
<time begin="1407"/><clear/>Either you're all asleep or just blown away, right? 
<time begin="1412"/><clear/>Okay, let's go to the next project, then, and that would be understanding and responding to the convergence of congestion and vulnerabilities in cargo transportation, 
<time begin="1422"/><clear/>and that's Irv Arconi and (indiscernible), and you already win the award for the largest project title, by the way. 
<time begin="1428"/><clear/>Excellent, excellent! 
<time begin="1430"/><clear/>I'm glad we won that one. 
<time begin="1434"/><clear/>Let me just do a brief overview and then Monseray (ph) will add in. 
<time begin="1438"/><clear/>We have complimentary skill sets in this area and hopefully, that will show the viability of this project. 
<time begin="1450"/><clear/>I think very sad and tragic to say this, but audit justification of our project. 
<time begin="1454"/><clear/>[ Beeping ] Hello? 
<time begin="1457"/><clear/>Still here. 
<time begin="1460"/><clear/>The demonstration of the viability of the project is in fact what we're seeing in New Orleans. 
<time begin="1468"/><clear/>We have a port that accounts for some 25% of U.S. exports that has major highway traffic nearby, a tremendous amount of transportation modes rely on the convergence of those modes in New Orleans, 
<time begin="1481"/><clear/>and you have a situation where that has been tremendously disrupted, and certainly, the first priority in there, of course, are the victims, the individuals who are suffering that we've all seen, 
<time begin="1493"/><clear/>but we are now also reading what is done to all the transportation modes. 
<time begin="1499"/><clear/>Our sense is in reading all this and trying to observe it is that there is no overall plan that any mode has as to what is gonna take place when such an event takes place. 
<time begin="1511"/><clear/>Now, this is an extreme event, but I would suggest that it's not as extreme as may occur when you have a strike at a port, which can bottle up that port 
<time begin="1522"/><clear/>or when you have a situation that's occurred two years back in Norfolk where one of the tunnels flooded that leads to the port, and what that did to that port. 
<time begin="1533"/><clear/>In an area where there's a light amount of traffic, the rail truck or so forth tend not to have a great effect because you're not disrupting a whole lot. 
<time begin="1544"/><clear/>In those areas where there's significant amount of port activity, where in fact you are at a capacity issue, any kind of disruption has a tremendous effect. 
<time begin="1552"/><clear/>I don't see where all the different private sector carriers have any plans that they've developed together in New Orleans. 
<time begin="1558"/><clear/>It seems to me that everybody is scattered and doing whatever it is they possibly can. 
<time begin="1563"/><clear/>There are no models that show them, well, if I move here, what happens? 
<time begin="1572"/><clear/>If I divert to that port or that facility, what happens? 
<time begin="1573"/><clear/>Analagous to the situation on the roadway. 
<time begin="1575"/><clear/>You see the road signs. 
<time begin="1578"/><clear/>It stays traffic 2 miles ahead. 
<time begin="1580"/><clear/>Doesn't tell you what to do or give you options. 
<time begin="1581"/><clear/>What do individuals do? 
<time begin="1583"/><clear/>They come up with an option on their own, which could lead to further aggravating the situation. 
<time begin="1589"/><clear/>So the lack of those options because they haven't been brought first aggravate as opposed to mitigates the negative impact of that situation. 
<time begin="1599"/><clear/>And I advise-- I'm sorry, I'm not align here, I'm on dial-up and it's just taking like a year or two, so I don't have the slide there in front of me, the one-page summary slide, 
<time begin="1610"/><clear/>but that is essentially what that project is stating as the cause and the solution, we feel, is to develop a model that can take into effect a variety of disruptions and see what could occur, 
<time begin="1621"/><clear/>and I would like to say not only what then you would do after the incident, because if you wait after the incident, of course, it's too late, but if we can see what an event will do to disrupt one or more modes 
<time begin="1635"/><clear/>and then the cascading effects that it's gonna have elsewhere, good transportation planners take that and say well here's some things we can do beforehand, and then you model again, 
<time begin="1653"/><clear/>and then if you've been able to redesign, re-engineer, whatever is feasible based on timeframes, cost and so forth, then maybe in fact, up-front mitigation in terms of infrastructure design could then minimize the consequences of an event. 
<time begin="1667"/><clear/>That is a solution that would like to offer. 
<time begin="1669"/><clear/>No guarantee we'll find that solution. 
<time begin="1674"/><clear/>There's an awful lot of variables, but surely, we would all agree that there's more we could do when an event of the type that we have now seen and any other similar type of event in terms of consequences, what does the private sector do? 
<time begin="1686"/><clear/>What does government do? 
<time begin="1689"/><clear/>And how do we improve the collaboration between the two so that there's a plan of some type that is a model out and is a tool that can be used. 
<time begin="1700"/><clear/>Essentially, that's the overview that I'd like to leave you with. 
<time begin="1705"/><clear/>Monseray, if you have additional comments on that. 
<time begin="1707"/><clear/>Couldn't have done it better, Irv. 
<time begin="1708"/><clear/>Great. 
<time begin="1710"/><clear/>Are there any comments or questions from anybody on the call? 
<time begin="1719"/><clear/>Irv, sounds like it's a very timely topic, and something that I think will be interesting to see what folks' responses are in the evaluation of the projects. 
<time begin="1728"/><clear/>We'll move-- 
<time begin="1729"/><clear/>Paul? 
<time begin="1730"/><clear/>I'm sorry? 
<time begin="1731"/><clear/>Can you hear me? 
<time begin="1736"/><clear/>We've got a number of questions from Mr. Troop (ph) and we'd love to respond to him if he'd like us to call him because I think there are very good questions. 
<time begin="1744"/><clear/>Okay, we actually-- the agenda right now-- 
<time begin="1746"/><clear/>No, I mean later on. 
<time begin="1750"/><clear/>We have a couple of minutes if you want to address any of them that you think the group will benefit from hearing, if you can do one or two. 
<time begin="1762"/><clear/>I'll do one and then one of the concerns is has this been done other ports, have the ports does not exercises that talk about these? 
<time begin="1770"/><clear/>To the best of my knowledge, with the contacts I have at TSA and have elsewhere, the TSA has not (indiscernible) on the disruptions on transportation modes. 
<time begin="1782"/><clear/>They focus on activity at a particular port. 
<time begin="1785"/><clear/>For instance, there's an on-going exercise called "port step" which stands for port security training exercises program, and it simply is trying to see how well the stakeholders at a port work together at a projected scenario. 
<time begin="1801"/><clear/>However, there is nothing in those exercises that looks at the impact on the modes which transport modes service that port. 
<time begin="1808"/><clear/>They're just restricted to activity within the port, so I think it's great to see that, but if they don't actually look at the consequences, then they won't see the true effect of that incident, which goes well beyond the port. 
<time begin="1825"/><clear/>So hopefully that can answer two of Ken's points. 
<time begin="1828"/><clear/>Okay, great. 
<time begin="1830"/><clear/>Any other that are really significant we haven't-- well, we have about two more minutes. 
<time begin="1834"/><clear/>If there's anything else that you really feel you want to address at this point. 
<time begin="1837"/><clear/>If not, we'll move on. 
<time begin="1841"/><clear/>Did you want to mention about the tool and the demonstration of the tool? 
<time begin="1850"/><clear/>I think that the question about what the tool will do in, you know, little bit more information. 
<time begin="1856"/><clear/>As I think Irv mentioned, we're gonna start out by doing research on what's been done, obviously, to see what the best systems out there. 
<time begin="1864"/><clear/>We're pretty sure there is nothing like this, and as Irv mentioned, we're gonna start out with the port itself to develop a tool and a model for that, but we're not gonna do it in vacuum. 
<time begin="1875"/><clear/>We're gonna look at the connections between all the modes surrounding it so that we can see what kind of resources are needed to divert traffic or make the best use of resources when there is an incident. 
<time begin="1892"/><clear/>This is Rich Bider (ph). 
<time begin="1894"/><clear/>Just one comment on that. 
<time begin="1900"/><clear/>It seems that you're looking at matching up what the infrastructure is in addition to the private sector, you know, equipment availability and that sort of thing. 
<time begin="1909"/><clear/>Are you looking at the institutional factors at all? 
<time begin="1912"/><clear/>In other words, one thing that we're seeing with Katrina, for example, is you know, a disconnect between the local state and federal government responses. 
<time begin="1925"/><clear/>I think that this will be a tool that the institutions can utilize. 
<time begin="1933"/><clear/>Will it take in the institutional -- sometimes institutions don't respond very well to each other. 
<time begin="1941"/><clear/>I think this may go very well, be a very good starting for the next project we're proposing, because part of that problem is information, and information-sharing. 
<time begin="1950"/><clear/>People didn't either know where information resided or they did not communicate with each other, so that's what we're proposing in the next project. 
<time begin="1957"/><clear/>Does that answer your question? 
<time begin="1960"/><clear/>Yeah, well that addresses it, yeah. 
<time begin="1962"/><clear/>Well, why don't we move to the next project then and you can talk more about that, Monseray (ph) and hopefully we'll fully address it and keep us moving toward our goal here. 
<time begin="1971"/><clear/>Paul? 
<time begin="1973"/><clear/>I've gotta get off here in a few minutes and get on the airplane. 
<time begin="1976"/><clear/>So I'll be leaving here in about 5 minutes. 
<time begin="1978"/><clear/>Okay, thank you, Ben. 
<time begin="1982"/><clear/>Okay, Monseray. 
<time begin="1985"/><clear/>He is going to present. 
<time begin="1987"/><clear/>Hi, everybody. 
<time begin="1995"/><clear/>I'm sure that last presentation gave a very brief description of the project, but actually, I will start with defining the problem. 
<time begin="2012"/><clear/>And the problem usually is in any tool or any analysis, technology, the problem usually lies in the data itself, but actually, 
<time begin="2023"/><clear/>sometimes you don't know if the data exists or not, and if you know the data exists, you don't know who owns the data. 
<time begin="2031"/><clear/>And for intermodal transportation, it's by nature involves different partners, and these partners each has his own data sources. 
<time begin="2043"/><clear/>Each one has information and own information infrastructure. 
<time begin="2047"/><clear/>And these partners, they interact together, so there is certain information flow. 
<time begin="2056"/><clear/>So what we're proposing here, we are proposing an an theology-based information integration, which that only holds the knowledge about the data sources and how the data sources, if there is an existing infrastructure between that I this 
<time begin="2073"/><clear/>and the sources so it would also be included in the an theology, and this would enhance the decision-making because now, if you have in the tho theology, you look at the problem and then you have certain objectives 
<time begin="2091"/><clear/>and then you would start looking at the data required and then collecting the data and then making the analysis, so this tool will shorten the lead time between the data identification and the analysis. 
<time begin="2105"/><clear/>As you can see in the presentation, the process that is the data sources is usually dispersed for decision-making, and of course related sources increase by increasing the problem domain. 
<time begin="2121"/><clear/>Any tool, like for example, EFM (ph) or any tool that's not considered all the sources of data. 
<time begin="2133"/><clear/>I think that this anthology will be very helpful for the  Department of Transportation and those who emphasize on the applications, like what happened in the hurricane, 
<time begin="2152"/><clear/>it was the lack of communication between the different agencies, either the agencies at the Federal level or at the State level or even city level, and of course, the interaction between these three different levels. 
<time begin="2165"/><clear/>So imagine that now we have a certain centralized system that does not hold any data but holds the information about the data, 
<time begin="2179"/><clear/>so at the State level then, agent can go to this anthology and search for certain data by key words, then the data sources that holds this data and who owns this data. 
<time begin="2191"/><clear/>So talking about data privacy, the data will not be visible, but what would be visible is the existence of the data and who owns it. 
<time begin="2200"/><clear/>I think that's it. 
<time begin="2204"/><clear/>I'm open for any questions or clarifications. 
<time begin="2208"/><clear/>Anybody have any questions for Sam? 
<time begin="2211"/><clear/>Sam, this is Rich Bider (ph) again. 
<time begin="2219"/><clear/>Give me an example how a railroad would use this tool. 
<time begin="2222"/><clear/>Railway will use this of course, like first step of the project, we have to identify a certain transportation, like a port for example, 
<time begin="2234"/><clear/>and we have to look at the different partners in this port, like the rail, the port authority, truckers, you know, all these different partners. 
<time begin="2246"/><clear/>And this system will exist so will send surveys to the rail about what other information or the data sources that be used when they are interacting with other partners 
<time begin="2262"/><clear/>and then we collect all this information and put it in the anthology. 
<time begin="2265"/><clear/>So for example, they'll like to make a decision and have certain information for decision-making, then we go to the anthology, we search and find out where are the data, when the data is left and who owns it. 
<time begin="2277"/><clear/>So when he makes a decision that actually involves data from other partners, he will have the visibility of who are these partners should be involved in decision making. 
<time begin="2291"/><clear/>Did that answer your question, Rich? 
<time begin="2293"/><clear/>No. 
<time begin="2297"/><clear/>Well, I would look more towards, you know, put it mo in more simpler terms to me. 
<time begin="2304"/><clear/>Obviously, one of the things I look for in the freight working group is it's a public/private partnership, 
<time begin="2311"/><clear/>and I'd like to be able to hear feedback from the private sector that I'm really concerned about that people can then take what were the products that we're doing out of this and the work that we're doing out of this, 
<time begin="2326"/><clear/>and they in turn can go back to their corporate boards and say, hey, this is really good, this is a product that's gonna come out that we here can use in our own system and here's an example of how we can use it. 
<time begin="2339"/><clear/>Rich, may I answer that question? 
<time begin="2341"/><clear/>This. 
<time begin="2345"/><clear/>I'm glad you brought this up because I think this project is probably the best positioned to be used in any domain because we're developing a methodology that can be duplicated for any organization. 
<time begin="2361"/><clear/>The simplest example I can give you from an anthology is to think of the files on your computer. 
<time begin="2365"/><clear/>This is same pale thing, but then I can expand it to an organization. 
<time begin="2370"/><clear/>Think of if you wanted to know what resides on your own hard drive. 
<time begin="2375"/><clear/>So it would tell you where all of these files reside, what their relationships are, what format they're in, and who wrote them or who developed them or who's in charge of them. 
<time begin="2386"/><clear/>So expand this to an organization with a number of information systems or a supply chain of you know, an enterprise, so any public or private organization can use this because we're developing a generic methodology that you go in, 
<time begin="2402"/><clear/>and you know, if you have a government customer that their files would be different, their ownership would be different and the private could be their own specific. 
<time begin="2412"/><clear/>So that's why I think this is the type of research that would expand to other domains very easily. 
<time begin="2419"/><clear/>Monseray (ph) and Sam, this is Paul. 
<time begin="2423"/><clear/>So when you get through with a project on this, what do you actually have an end product? 
<time begin="2433"/><clear/>Is it a report, is it a scheme,  I'm not sure you know, what the actual end product of something like this is 
<time begin="2445"/><clear/>and I think maybe tying it into Rich's question is what is it that an industry leader would be able to go back to his Board and say this is what I have that I didn't have before. 
<time begin="2455"/><clear/>Paul, or Sam and Monseray, can I add to that as well? 
<time begin="2457"/><clear/>If you can contrast what you're talking about doing  compare that to, like the DDI (ph) world today. 
<time begin="2464"/><clear/>Rich brought up rail. 
<time begin="2471"/><clear/>Rail's like 99% EDI-related, so how would this differ from the EDI world, I guess? 
<time begin="2474"/><clear/>EDI? 
<time begin="2475"/><clear/>Right. 
<time begin="2477"/><clear/>Okay. 
<time begin="2481"/><clear/>Like, EDI, this is used to send information from one point to another, right? 
<time begin="2487"/><clear/>Right. 
<time begin="2489"/><clear/>Okay. 
<time begin="2496"/><clear/>The anthology, or the software regardless of the anthology, the software will hold what EDI in each end will contain information that each would contain. 
<time begin="2506"/><clear/>So for example, if you are sending a schedule from using EDI from point A to point B, then at point A you will have the data that (indiscernible). 
<time begin="2517"/><clear/>That's all defined right now in the EDI world. 
<time begin="2520"/><clear/>I mean, you have a slew of different EDI transaction sets that if you're using EDI, you know what a 2-10 or you know what a 404, you know what those are and you know the contents of those messages. 
<time begin="2533"/><clear/>EDI is just one method. 
<time begin="2535"/><clear/>One method, right? 
<time begin="2535"/><clear/>True. 
<time begin="2541"/><clear/>You have X &amp; L, you have Etifact, but those message types are all defined. 
<time begin="2546"/><clear/>Are you going to use those message types and tie them back to where the information is coming from? 
<time begin="2548"/><clear/>Exactly. 
<time begin="2551"/><clear/>Where the information is coming from and the contents of each information and the interaction between them, so for example, if you are going to device Anthology, if there is information missing between EDIA and B 
<time begin="2567"/><clear/>and you want to send it to another department that doesn't have an EDI-M (ph), you will see there's integration potential and this integration potential is required for these decisions. 
<time begin="2583"/><clear/>So in other words, what you're talking about is a method to understand everything that everybody else has and try to figure out whether or not there's information you're not getting that you can use 
<time begin="2593"/><clear/>and helping to lay the groundwork for making a pathway for that information exchange to take place? 
<time begin="2600"/><clear/>Exactly. 
<time begin="2601"/><clear/>It's knowledge-based. 
<time begin="2602"/><clear/>Very good. 
<time begin="2605"/><clear/>Well, we'll wrap up the discussion on that one now. 
<time begin="2608"/><clear/>And again, I want to encourage everyone on the call that this isn't the only opportunity that anyone has to offer questions or comments to any one of the project pro opponents. 
<time begin="2623"/><clear/>In fact, I encourage you to do so because I think it will make each of the projects better by that activity and interaction. 
<time begin="2630"/><clear/>There's one more item we'll review quickly, Jennifer -- never mind, that's good. 
<time begin="2632"/><clear/>That will work. 
<time begin="2636"/><clear/>What this is is for those of you who were involved in the last go-around with these projects, we had a slightly different way of rating them in the past, 
<time begin="2647"/><clear/>and what we try to do is add some depth and some specificity to the rating system to help us understand what the strengths and weaknesses are of each of the projects. 
<time begin="2658"/><clear/>What you see on your screen now is -- and I have TWG project evaluation form, and it offers the opportunity for everyone who participates, 
<time begin="2664"/><clear/>even those who are not on this call, to offer numeric score for each of the projects in each of five categories, 
<time begin="2671"/><clear/>and the five categories that you see across the top that tentatively we've identified are that the project is relative to the IFTWG mission, and basically, that means we're doing the kinds of things we should be doing within. 
<time begin="2687"/><clear/>This project reflects that. 
<time begin="2692"/><clear/>The second one is that it provides significant public benefits, and I think by the term "public benefits," we're not just talking about public sector benefits. 
<time begin="2702"/><clear/>We're just talking about general benefits to the overall motoring public, the citizenry across the board, and that may mean that we're talking about emissions improvements; 
<time begin="2714"/><clear/>we're talking about congestion improvements; we're talking about reduced costs, whatever they are. 
<time begin="2721"/><clear/>The next one is project improves freight and movement efficiency. 
<time begin="2724"/><clear/>I think that's fairly self-explanatory. 
<time begin="2728"/><clear/>The next one is the project benefits cross transportation modes or transport modes. 
<time begin="2732"/><clear/>That means that it's more than just an individual mode that's benefiting. 
<time begin="2737"/><clear/>It actually is an intermodal project and multiple modes will extract and benefit from. 
<time begin="2741"/><clear/>And finally, that the project is scalable to a larger global project, and this doesn't necessarily mean worldwide, it just means something that can be expanded and used repeated fashion across the country. 
<time begin="2754"/><clear/>Or across international supply chains, if that's appropriate. 
<time begin="2760"/><clear/>Now, these are, again, these are five initial sets of categories, and Randy had gone through and identified a relative weighting for each of those. 
<time begin="2774"/><clear/>That's what the WTG20 or 25% (ph) means for each of those. 
<time begin="2776"/><clear/>What we're looking for at this point is before we send this out, we want to get feedback from folks on the line and anyone else you think who can give us some good feedback as to: 
<time begin="2787"/><clear/>A, whether or not the categories are the right categories to have for ratings; and also, whether or not the waiting seems appropriate for each of those categories. 
<time begin="2797"/><clear/>We'll get in n that discussion in a second. 
<time begin="2799"/><clear/>Let me finish the form and we'll go back to. 
<time begin="2803"/><clear/>That the center section of the form gives a spot for the project reviewer name, and we encourage everyone to put their name in there. 
<time begin="2813"/><clear/>If there are strong comments that you have, please recognize that individual reviewer names have never been provided in the past unless it's been determined that it's appropriate for that reviewer 
<time begin="2823"/><clear/>and the project person to get in direct contact, so you don't have to sensor your comments from the standpoint of if you feel you need to provide a critical comment. 
<time begin="2832"/><clear/>We encourage you to do that and your name won't be passed along unless you agree to have it happen. 
<time begin="2837"/><clear/>Beneath that is an occupation listing. 
<time begin="2841"/><clear/>You select one of the occupations, so we get an idea of what the different feel is for support for the project. 
<time begin="2849"/><clear/>And then for each project, a field is provided for comments that you can put free-form text comments in there, and we recognize that this is actually in an Excel spread sheet 
<time begin="2861"/><clear/>and character limitations may need you to provide an extra sheet and we'll provide that instruction to the folks that are providing the ratings. 
<time begin="2869"/><clear/>So with that, I'd like to go back to the top and get input on whether or not these category easy appear to be the appropriate categories. 
<time begin="2874"/><clear/>Any comments or questions on that? 
<time begin="2876"/><clear/>Sure. 
<time begin="2877"/><clear/>Paul, Mike Wolf here. 
<time begin="2879"/><clear/>Hi, Mike, how are you? 
<time begin="2880"/><clear/>Good, thanks. 
<time begin="2884"/><clear/>One thing that seems to me that would be worth adding is a category that addresses something about triggering action, 
<time begin="2897"/><clear/>about having something happen that is near-term and tangible and is a tentative title for it, that the project can have near-term impact. 
<time begin="2911"/><clear/>Something that draws attention to making a difference sooner rather than later. 
<time begin="2917"/><clear/>And as I played with weights, and actually think about  replacing the cross-transport mode category with that one 
<time begin="2929"/><clear/>and figure that the intermodal character of the issue is already embedded in that very first category, that the project is relative to the mission. 
<time begin="2941"/><clear/>We've got the cross modes covered in there, and as I say, my sense is let's try to draw something towards deplorability, timeliness, effectiveness and I'm not wedded to the words as much as the concept. 
<time begin="2955"/><clear/>Okay, very good. 
<time begin="2956"/><clear/>Thank you for that, Mike. 
<time begin="2958"/><clear/>Any other comments or suggestions or questions? 
<time begin="2961"/><clear/>Yeah, Paul, this is Ken Troop (ph). 
<time begin="2963"/><clear/>A couple of things, actually. 
<time begin="2967"/><clear/>One is a question and then the other is about this. 
<time begin="2972"/><clear/>Will any of the people-- I mean, you're suggesting people 10 questions to the proposers. 
<time begin="2977"/><clear/>Are they gonna have an opportunity before the ratings occur to modify their projects at all based on some of the questions or to clarify things? 
<time begin="2986"/><clear/>That's a question. 
<time begin="2989"/><clear/>And then, I guess related to that, I would think that one of the things you rate them on is, if you will, how well laid out the project is, and you know, 
<time begin="2999"/><clear/>can you tell from the limited information that's been provided what it is that they're proposing to do, 
<time begin="3002"/><clear/>and does that make sense irrespective of whether it feeds the mission or has near-term benefits or is scalable or whatever; is it really laid out? 
<time begin="3020"/><clear/>Is it a project that makes sense in the way that it's laid out and-- 
<time begin="3023"/><clear/>Yeah, I think that's a very good comment. 
<time begin="3027"/><clear/>I'm not sure exactly where that fits in, but it seems to me that that's relevant in rating. 
<time begin="3032"/><clear/>I think that's a very valid comment, Ken, and I think, I guess to this point, we maybe had assumed a little bit that if folks didn't understand what a project was about or didn't buy it, 
<time begin="3043"/><clear/>and they couldn't get their answers through questions, that that probably would automatically provide a low rating because they just can't see how it aligns, 
<time begin="3051"/><clear/>but perhaps what we should do or what we will consider doing is providing that in the way of instruction when we send rating form out, 
<time begin="3060"/><clear/>that if you're unclear as to what this project is about, we encourage you to seek answers to that before you provide your rating, 
<time begin="3069"/><clear/>and if you don't get the answers that you're seeking or it doesn't resolve your issues, then I would recommend that you provide ratings in accordance with how well you understand that it will provide those benefits. 
<time begin="3082"/><clear/>I think that unless someone else has another suggestion that may be the path we try to take here. 
<time begin="3084"/><clear/>Paul-- 
<time begin="3086"/><clear/>That's fine. 
<time begin="3088"/><clear/>I just didn't know whether you would want to reflect it as a grade or -- I mean, obviously, if you can't understand what something has, then you're gonna give it a lower rating, 
<time begin="3099"/><clear/>but I just thought it was a way to actually include in the rating form itself the way it played out, but I'm comfortable with what you're talking about, though. 
<time begin="3106"/><clear/>Okay, great. 
<time begin="3107"/><clear/>Any other questions or comments? 
<time begin="3108"/><clear/>Paul, this is Randy. 
<time begin="3109"/><clear/>Can you hear me okay? 
<time begin="3111"/><clear/>Yeah, hi, Randy. 
<time begin="3111"/><clear/>Okay. 
<time begin="3114"/><clear/>I wanted to make a comment about Ken's first remark on the clarification of the projects. 
<time begin="3120"/><clear/>Really, what we had designed this webcast to do that, was to give the project presenters the opportunity to clarify some of the questions and then we can allow another week, 
<time begin="3130"/><clear/>anyone has any additional questions they'd like to forward to the presenters or to myself, we can allow an additional week to get those questions answered and back to the participants, 
<time begin="3144"/><clear/>so I could put this form out probably by the end of this next week. 
<time begin="3149"/><clear/>And one of the other things we can do too, and what we did in the past and Randy, maybe we should do it again here, is not only send the form out, but also send out the original presentations, 
<time begin="3160"/><clear/>because even though we've had anywhere from 16 to 25 folks on these webcasts, there are obviously a lot more folks who are unable to make it and we would really like to get their input. 
<time begin="3170"/><clear/>So I would suggest that we send out the full presentations, the original presentations, and offer instructions on filling this form out and also encourage those folks to ask questions of the folks who have presented them and in doing that, 
<time begin="3182"/><clear/>we'll have to provide contact information for each of the proponents with each of the presentations, so if someone sees, for instance my project and don't know my contact information, 
<time begin="3195"/><clear/>they can contact me directly and I can give them information. 
<time begin="3199"/><clear/>Does that sound reasonable? 
<time begin="3201"/><clear/>This is Karen. 
<time begin="3205"/><clear/>How -- if I ask a question, how's everybody else gonna know what that question and answer was? 
<time begin="3210"/><clear/>What I can do at the end of next week, all the questions come in, I can publish them all, Karen. 
<time begin="3215"/><clear/>Okay. 
<time begin="3217"/><clear/>My recommendation is that we probably should forward any of the project proponents who give questions on the projects should forward them to Randy and just to make sure that we get a central repos entry of those, 
<time begin="3231"/><clear/>along with the responses so that way when he sends out the final information with the rating forms, he can include with that questions and answers that have been provided during the discussion today. 
<time begin="3241"/><clear/>Does that seem reasonable, Randy? 
<time begin="3243"/><clear/>Yeah, that seems reasonable. 
<time begin="3247"/><clear/>And also, these webcasts are being recorded and I sent out the link after the webcast of where the recording's at. 
<time begin="3258"/><clear/>It's posted on the federal highway's operations freight management website. 
<time begin="3261"/><clear/>That's a very good point. 
<time begin="3263"/><clear/>Okay, Randy and Paul, this is Rich. 
<time begin="3266"/><clear/>Maybe Mike said this in his comment and I skipped it, but anyway, you know, I look at the weights of each of these, and then you know, the numbers that we put in for the five, four, three, two, one, 
<time begin="3277"/><clear/>and I don't see where there's a relationship between assigning, you know, a five in a 20% category counts the same as a five in a 25% category? 
<time begin="3290"/><clear/>Is that correct? 
<time begin="3290"/><clear/>No. 
<time begin="3293"/><clear/>Basically, it's a mathematical thing. 
<time begin="3297"/><clear/>A five in a 20% accounts for basically 4/5 or 80% of a five in a 25%, so if you put a five in-- 
<time begin="3304"/><clear/>Okay, but for us that are mathematically challenged at times, (laughter) -- would it be possible to you know program this when you do the sells? 
<time begin="3316"/><clear/>You know, you put a five in the first category, but when you go down to the overall score, the weight is already taken into consideration? 
<time begin="3323"/><clear/>That's what we're planning to do. 
<time begin="3325"/><clear/>I'll do that, Rich. 
<time begin="3327"/><clear/>In fact, I had that done and I took it out, but we'll put it back in so when I send out the sheet you'll see what the overall rating comes up to. 
<time begin="3333"/><clear/>Okay. 
<time begin="3336"/><clear/>I would just put an asterisk on that, though, again, for those that weren't in this webcast to get this, you know, they put it in and wait a minute, 
<time begin="3349"/><clear/>the overall score doesn't add up to what we have, put an asterisk and say that the total column takes into account the various weights. 
<time begin="3354"/><clear/>Rich, I thought that's what Norma Jean was for. 
<time begin="3355"/><clear/>Yeah! 
<time begin="3355"/><clear/>(laughter) 
<time begin="3358"/><clear/>Can you make sure these are right? 
<time begin="3360"/><clear/>(laughter) 
<time begin="3365"/><clear/>That's a very good point, Rich, we'll make sure-- 
<time begin="3368"/><clear/>(talking simultaneously). 
<time begin="3369"/><clear/>Paul, Fred Daly. 
<time begin="3370"/><clear/>In the occupations list. 
<time begin="3374"/><clear/>I think even before you send this out, Randy, you want to clear up industry and vendor. 
<time begin="3378"/><clear/>They're not mutually exclusive and I think they can cause confusion. 
<time begin="3382"/><clear/>I think you mean industry user and industry vendor? 
<time begin="3384"/><clear/>Exactly in fact, I was just sitting here looking at that and thought the same thing, Fred. 
<time begin="3386"/><clear/>Thank you. 
<time begin="3387"/><clear/>You're welcome. 
<time begin="3390"/><clear/>And you might want to add consultant so you'd know where everybody is coming from. 
<time begin="3392"/><clear/>Yeah. 
<time begin="3396"/><clear/>You can identify all the knuckleheads, right, Fred? 
<time begin="3397"/><clear/>Like us! 
<time begin="3398"/><clear/>(laughter) 
<time begin="3401"/><clear/>However you want to portray it but that's what came across my mind. 
<time begin="3403"/><clear/>Okay. 
<time begin="3404"/><clear/>Very good. 
<time begin="3410"/><clear/>If you got any more time (indiscernible) get them back to me by Wednesday of this week. 
<time begin="3415"/><clear/>I'll try to make the necessary modifications, and I think Mike Wolf, the suggestion you made very valid about changing that one out on the calls transport modes, so what about the weights? 
<time begin="3431"/><clear/>You've got comments on the weights, I was trying to give the public and industry efficiency the highest weights so we would kind of get a better score, I thought, for benefits. 
<time begin="3446"/><clear/>If we want to make them all the same, we can do that. 
<time begin="3449"/><clear/>I'm with Rich. 
<time begin="3451"/><clear/>I think they seem appropriate. 
<time begin="3452"/><clear/>I'm sorry? 
<time begin="3454"/><clear/>I think they seem appropriate to me. 
<time begin="3456"/><clear/>Yeah, I'm with Rich. 
<time begin="3459"/><clear/>I think when you try to scale them from one to five and then weight them 15, 20 and 25, you're gonna get a Mish-mash at the end. 
<time begin="3469"/><clear/>I don't know how you can cross cut both ways, but again, I'm mathematically challenged. 
<time begin="3473"/><clear/>We'll just put in a formula that pulls the values from each one and applies the appropriate weight. 
<time begin="3479"/><clear/>And what that will do is when you get done too, it will show you as the reviewer given each of those projects on a relative scale, and if you feel that that's inconsistent with what you think the relative values are, 
<time begin="3491"/><clear/>it gives you an opportunity to go back and adjust the numbers to make the overall scores come out more in line with where you think relative values are by project. 
<time begin="3503"/><clear/>So it will be that last call will be calculated automatically. 
<time begin="3506"/><clear/>All you have to do is put a five, four, three, two or one in the last cell and the last column will be calculated for you. 
<time begin="3511"/><clear/>Paul, we need to finish up here. 
<time begin="3513"/><clear/>I wanted to make a couple remarks about the projects that are going on, the cross-town improvement project and the terminal optimization. 
<time begin="3521"/><clear/>The cross town improvement project at Kansas City, we do have now four railroads and three trucking companies signed up in Kansas City. 
<time begin="3531"/><clear/>Boussel (ph) has been at Kansas City for the last couple of weeks doing business process mapping and also been working with the cost benefit analysis group and pulling the cost drivers together. 
<time begin="3544"/><clear/>The terminal optimizations project will have a kickoff meeting at Burlington northern logistics park intermodal facility this next Wednesday, September the 14th, 
<time begin="3558"/><clear/>and we have BNSF (ph), UP, and quite a few other people involved in this project, so we're hopefully get started with that in October, 
<time begin="3566"/><clear/>and there will be a webcast the 1st of October to do a brain-storming session on the cross-town improvement project to start, see what technology can be applied. 
<time begin="3580"/><clear/>Bruce Allen will have a presentation on their findings as far as cross town business processes, probably the first week in October. 
<time begin="3587"/><clear/>Very good. 
<time begin="3589"/><clear/>Well, I think that wraps up the agenda. 
<time begin="3591"/><clear/>Are there any other questions or comments? 
<time begin="3592"/><clear/>Paul, this is Ron. 
<time begin="3594"/><clear/>I just want to make sure we have this clarified on how the questions will be addressed. 
<time begin="3598"/><clear/>Everybody should send their questions into Randy and then Randy passes them onto the project proponents or whatever and then we get the opportunity to update our slides and then we send them out to everybody and then they vote after that? 
<time begin="3609"/><clear/>Well, you won't send them out to anybody. 
<time begin="3613"/><clear/>We'll send them out with a central list of questions and answers. 
<time begin="3616"/><clear/>So people can send them into Randy or they can send them into you, but either way, they all need to get to Randy with the answers. 
<time begin="3622"/><clear/>Okay. 
<time begin="3626"/><clear/>And you can update your slides to cover the questions, Ron. 
<time begin="3627"/><clear/>Right. 
<time begin="3630"/><clear/>I mean, like Karen was asking, you gotta make sure they're updated, so make sure all the comments are included, so. 
<time begin="3633"/><clear/>Right. 
<time begin="3637"/><clear/>Yeah, because that will improve your chances of getting high ratings, so. 
<time begin="3641"/><clear/>I would think the best way, this is Ken, I would think the best way to handle the questions is to send them to the project people with a copy to Randy, 
<time begin="3648"/><clear/>and that way he has them and they have them without having to wait on their being sent to him or anything like that. 
<time begin="3654"/><clear/>Yeah. 
<time begin="3659"/><clear/>I'll publish all the e-mail addresses this weekend, Ken. 
<time begin="3660"/><clear/>Of the presenters. 
<time begin="3662"/><clear/>Very good! 
<time begin="3666"/><clear/>Any other questions or concerns from anybody? 
<time begin="3667"/><clear/>This is Irv. 
<time begin="3671"/><clear/>Is the schedule then still holding that September 29th we all get together again? 
<time begin="3677"/><clear/>That's probably gonna change, Irv. 
<time begin="3680"/><clear/>I need to look at the calendar. 
<time begin="3683"/><clear/>Okay. 
<time begin="3688"/><clear/>We'll have to let you know through an e-mail broadcast on what's gonna happen with that. 
<time begin="3695"/><clear/>Okay! 
<time begin="3697"/><clear/>Rich, do you have anything you want to in closing? 
<time begin="3700"/><clear/>No, other than saying I thought it was a very good session today and I appreciate again everybody taking the time and a lot of effort's been going in on this 
<time begin="3711"/><clear/>and I thank you Paul, and Randy especially for making sure that all this is keeping on track and setting forth the agendas and keeping us all on the straight and narrow, but again, thank you everyone. 
<time begin="3723"/><clear/>Very good. 
<time begin="3726"/><clear/>All right, well I guess that closes things out, and thank you all for participating. 
<time begin="3730"/><clear/>Have a great weekend. 
<time begin="3732"/><clear/>Thank you! 
<time begin="3733"/><clear/>Bye. 
<time begin="3739"/><clear/>Bye. 
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